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« on: May 21, 2007, 10:28:33 AM »

so who was there...how was it?

how was the paint?
how was the reffing?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 04:56:36 PM »

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

PAINT: $70!!!!! for draxxus silver. not even the gewd stuff. the fill was like practice paint from sports authority when they even broke. or u could get the formula 13 which would not go str8..

REFFING: wow.. never have i seen so many refs.. all do so bad. there was effort, or wut looked like effort, but no execution. when a player got shot and ran to the dead box, 4 refs at a time would abandon watching the game just to retrieve an armband. its not that serious.
141's----- the one for ones were so random, it was like they had a quota to reach.. 'hmm lets see we need 5 one for ones called by 11.. OH NO WE'RE BEHIND! PULL A PLAYER!'
a few times ppl were pulled for "overshooting." this was sum1 being shot out, a ref calling it to themselves from across the field, then a player on the opposite side, definately not watching a ref across the field, bunkers the eliminated player barely shooting them and they get pulled. if u even tried to explain a point to a ref it was another player. continue on "talking" to refs later.

BOUNCE CHECK: i think we can all agree that this was the most bs bounce check ever. everyone besides pump players had their debounce up to 30 and anti mech bounce up to 10, but if u had a sensitive trigger, u were illegal. hitting the back of the gun is not the way to check a bounce, it is the way to check how close ur set screw is to ur microswitch.. all u do wen u hit the gun is force the trigger back the little way it needs to travel to take a shot. i could understand it ur gun went of twice wen they did it, but this was once. i dont care wut gun it is, if u hit the tank in the right spot hard enough, it will go off every time.

THOSE PAINTBALL MOMENTS: ok let me set the mood on this one. think back to the commanders cup when Joy and Dynasty played in the finals where the bunker move/turning/overshooting caused one of the most controversial moments in paintball.

im pretty sure this was a one on 3. my guys runs down, bunkers 1st guy, bunkers 2nd guy clean, first guy turns on him and lights his back up, this is already a 1 for 1 so if there is another player hes being pulled or should b getting pulled.. the way it was explained was that my guy was pulled for turning on the guy who turned on him... what? is there no such thing as players instinct? either way all players on the field r eliminated making it a 50 50 game, but they scored it 60 40 in the other teams favor... weird.. who touched the board to end the game? so i go up to the rest of the ppl in the circle.. refs r talking players r talking, roland is standing up top.. i input that my player should've been clean because the player turned on HIM.. the head ref acknowledges the fact then loud mouth roland jumps in and says to me "EXCUSE ME! R U THE TEAM CAPTAIN??!!" so i say ok, shrug, and start walkin away.. at that point roland replies with a "yea have a nice day. get out of here." now im pretty sure anybody wouldve done wut i did, because the tourny already sucked donkey balls and nobody is gunna bow down to a sqeaky guy on top of his little observation post.. "u have a nice day too, and **** ur field!" maybe not the best chosen reply, but i still dont think it was wrong.

now i wasnt the only one "ejected" from this tournament. all of us were thrown out for explaining our points.. explaining in a loud manner, but not fighting ppl or threatening anybody.. ppl were basically thrown out for being right and letting ppl kno about it.. i dont think anyone took the staffs side on this one besides ass kissers and idiots.. and to end it with the most immature gesture i've witnessed..
im pretty much packed, and now CLEANING my area, not bothering a single person.. little messenger man comes by explaining how i need to go to McDonalds or sumtin bcuz i cant stay there..

as i said b4.. **** that shizzle
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2007, 05:03:58 PM »

4got sum stuff..

letsee: the way the sides were chosen..
- no coin toss, just give one team the shaft... then even if the teams had decided amongst themselves who went on wut side, they sent the teams to the opposite side..

- exiting the field.. no exit unless field is clear.. what? is there seriously a point to not letting players leave?

- rub from bunkers.. there were a few times where there is clear rub on a hopper, and refs look at it after the game and r like "not bigger than a quarter.. moving on" regardless of the fact its not bigger than a quarter.. does it even look like a hit? no shell, no direction, looks like finger painting..

- pulling players for leaving early.. understandable, like in every tourny.. but pulling a player AT THE END OF A GAME wen he left early in the beginning just makes no sense at all..
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 08:06:35 PM »

so who was there...how was it?

how was the paint?
how was the reffing?  Roll Eyes

Were you there, did you see something?
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 08:53:09 PM »

These are the posts that were deleted due to the fact that roland or jedi (whos not even on the island to see what kinda crap happend) cant handle the truth.

Deleted post #1
Every team that I talked to had same concern issues.  I just thought it is sad to see that a post about a tourney that he ran was instantly deleted just because it concerned a moo point about his field and tourney. 

The paint issue was horrible.  The formula 13 was bouncing off the boards on the spectator’s side of the field.  The paint was also so hard that it left welts all over that broke skin.  DXS Silver was a joke.  Those may have broke, but the fill was transparent. That paint was horrible. 

Reffing issues:
Do they have any experience with tourney scene?  They did not know the rules at all.  Modified NPPL rules are one thing, but to change them all to cover their ass, that is horrible.  ALL teams there had blown calls due to the refs not knowing the rules.  I am NPPL certified, I’ve played at the top level of the national tourney scene, and I don’t like being yelled at for pulling my own band to give to the ref.  Yes, I was yelled at for pulling my own band.  Ridiculous...  Those refs shouldn’t even be running games for weekend play.  That’s how bad they didn’t know the rules of the game.

I’m sad to say, this has only put a damper on the Hawaii tourney scene.  All my friends from that field and maybe even from outer islands are probably sad to say that this will be the last time until he decides to clean up his act. 

This has put another black eye out.  Hawaii paintball has turned to shit.   No wonder people fight all the time.


Deleted post #2 (in response to the ref staff "Doing thier best and cant be expeced to be NPPL caliber")
I would never expect a NPPL / PSP style event in any local tourney, here or in the mainland. They don’t even have the caliber of NPPL or PSP.

The difference is that they have refs that actually know the rules of play. 

Your refs did not know even half the rules.  There is a big difference from trigger bounce to slamming on the tank to see if it shoots even one shot.  I played with my gun at HB with the settings that I brought to this tourney and they would not let me on the field.  Why, because they don’t know what they are doing. 

When a tourney states that it is using NPPL modified rules, that is fine, but to modify every rule to help the ref get out of a situation that they don’t know about is not right.

Example:  Player A has his gun on the side of the board before the game starts.  Game on is called, and Player A gets pulled for not having his barrel in front of the board.  This was not stated at the captains meeting.  All that was stated was to have your barrel below the line touching.  The girl at the starting box said that barrels had to be touching, but did not say that the side is not a valid place.

This is a simple example of not being prepared.  All the refs can argue is that this is MODIFIED RULES.  NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT.

The point that I am trying to get at is that the refing crew was not ready for a tourney or even sad to say, regular weekend play for that matter. 

Take that up to Roland.  I would like to hear a response from him on the forum.  Let him know that this is what all the players were pissed about.


Then I got banned from the site and cant log in

I just added this cause hes a (NO PERSONAL ATTACKS BE AN ADULT) that cant handle the truth about his tourney.  I was calm and truthful when I stated my concerns, but yet was banned from loggin to post.  So.. on with the fun.





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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2007, 10:19:34 PM »

dom  what team u played for who got the boot? i like this forum open ground no editing nothng level ground
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2007, 10:39:54 PM »

Although "I Just Work Here", I do have to raise a concern about any potential personal attacks in this thread. Yes we are "level ground" and we hope we can serve in that capacity for this, admittedly emotional, discussion. We would rather not have to edit anything, but we need your cooperation. Personal attacks are unwarranted and do not help make a point, not to mention they are against the rules.

That is not to say you cannot call out a person's actions ... "So-and-so was acting very unprofessional and made a bad impression on me" is okay but "So-and-so is a douchebag" is not okay.

Speaking as an observer, I find value in reading people's articulated opinions of what happened and what went wrong, but I get nothing from name-calling and bile except irritated more at the poster than the person he might be talking about!
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2007, 10:41:16 PM »

Guys keep it civil, thats all i ask.

for example "_____ is a douchebag" = bad, try "______ was abusing his power" = better (but you better give examples of what happened)


Koa kind of like you're inviting the same conversation
imo you should lead with a good example being one of the first members

i mean what does it mean for the Hawaii tournament scene? is it a good thing to have more tournaments? or should they not bother? what were you expecting, etc
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2007, 11:08:49 PM »

i think this means more people will shy away from future tourneys that is hosted by paintball hawaii  but home teams will enter for loyalty to heir "home field". but the action of how the owner and staff handle them self's will decide their faith in tourney ball.

i see that this tourny rubbed people the wrong way and make all of us appreciate how hard HOMEGROWN WORKS when thay ref a tourney. and the great paint that frank at brother pb provides!!!!

they have to work alot harder to get teams back out there for a tourney.  especially  what u call all star teams but if the attitude of ahh good dont show up we dont need u type of shit then theres no reason to host a tourney unless its invatation only
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 05:54:52 PM »

i was playin wit random guys from pearl harbor and stan. throw together team that was doin gewd.. till stan shot me in the back of the head 4 times off the break..

o0o and this is a perfect example about how bad the paint was. stan shot me in the back of the head 4 times b4 the head ref could stop saying go, and there was no visible paint on the back of my head..

i kno me and the pearl harbor guys will not ever show up to kbay for any normal weekend play, and the only way we could possibly show up for another tourny is if it was almost free, and had very worthwhile prizing.. and the only way we would stay a whole day is if LITERALLY EVERYTHING was fixed..
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 07:13:27 PM »

ohh so what days get action at pearl harbor i like some out and fool arount havent gone back since u know who freaked us out and screwd peeps over but ill see u when i see ya peace
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 07:39:43 PM »

not too sure about that place right now. they need to get more organized. i want to host a tourny there soon.. 3 man UAPL format. in which the reffing will b better and i wont hit ur gun to check ur bounce
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 07:45:31 PM »

that would be a nice place to have a small tourney.....but hard to get in there
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 08:39:59 PM »

yea thats the only prob.. we would hav to make round trips to escort ppl to the field..
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 07:45:38 PM »

If you guys host one in Pearl Harbor, I'll come.  I play and ref at Bellows and I played at Paintball Hawaii once and had a horrible experience and I'm FROM K-bay!  Roland's loyalty lays with his staff and his field.  He won't listen to anyone else.  I tried talking to him.
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